Glorious Times had a bit of a catch-up chat with an old friend from the GT-era Tampa days: Chris Messina. Chris plays guitar in Florida based grind band Swamp Gas, a festering stink of aural assault if there ever was one! It's been a long time since those humid days riding the initial waves of extreme music in what was to be known as "the death metal capital of the world" - check it out...
GT
- When did you guys get it together under the name Swamp Gas?
Chris
- We started Swamp Gas in late 1995, but Brian,Robert,and myself had
been jamming for years under different band names. The three of us
had been jamming since 1989, starting with death/thrash to death
metal in the beginning, then finally going to grindcore.
Chris, March 3 2013 at Rack'em Billiards, Cape Coral FL - (photo - Carianne Hensler)
GT
- How did you know the other members?
Chris
- I was friends with Robert's younger brother Ricky, and I knew they
had a killer Death/Thrash band going. They needed a bassist, so I
went out and bought a bass and an amp and joined the band.
GT
- You mentioned that you started Swamp Gas in 1995 but had been
playing before that in several other incarnations of the same band -
can you give some of the band names?
Chris
– Me, Brian and Robert have been jamming together since 1988. We
started out as a really technical death metal band. Our old songs had
like 25 riffs that never repeated, kinda funny cause now we play
grind and have like 6 or 7 riffs a song...haha! Some of the old
band names were Relentless Abuse, Constant Gripping Fear, Carrion and
Amputation. The name Swamp Gas came up as a joke but it stuck with
us.
GT
- When did you move to Cape Coral, weren't you living in Tampa when we met the first time?
Chris
- I have been in Cape Coral for the past 3 years, but the band is
from Fort Myers. We were never a Tampa Bay band.
GT
– When did you move to Florida?
Chris
– I moved to Florida in August of 88. I am originally from Long
Island, NY.
Brian and Kelly,
March 3 2013 at Rack'em Billiards, Cape Coral FL - (photo - Carianne Hensler)
GT
– I ended up living in Long Island for a short time myself. You
mentioned you moved from Long Island in '88 - why was that? Family
move?
Chris
- I moved to Fort Myers with my family in August 88. It was a bit of
a culture shock for me (no more Slipped Disc Records). We had to
drive 2 hours to go see a show or to find a good record store. In
1994 I moved to Denver for about a year, I wrote most of the songs
for the first Swamp Gas release "Marsh Tango" during that
time.
GT
- You ever hear from Billy, when is the last time you saw him?
Chris
- I hear from Billy every now and then. He lives in Ft Lauderdale
now. I plan on releasing a Death/Doom demo we recorded together in
1995 (Antarctica) when I lived in Denver for a while. Lenzig from
Cephalic Carnage was also involved in the project. This demo was my
first serious attempt at recording and mixing. It came out pretty
good for a 4 track cassette recording.
GT
- You seem to be continuing the love of the old grind style, drawing
obvious influences from many of the pioneering bands - that means
song structure even though it's grind (minimalist perhaps) whereas so
many of the newer acts simply string together a few chords and riffs,
scream and think it's whatever they think it is...
Chris
- Exactly !!!....New school grind bands seemed to have lost touch
with the roots of grindcore. The same thing happened in the hardcore
scene a few years ago. Most of these new- schooler's have never even
heard of S.O.B., Heresy, Gism, Undinism, Vomit Spawn, Mob 47, and
Sore Throat...It's real easy to buy an Assuck t-shirt on Ebay
nowadays...hahahaha!!!
Brian and Kelly, March 3 2013 at Rack'em Billiards, Cape Coral FL - (photo - Carianne Hensler)
GT
- What do you think about the state of affairs of this style, since
bands like AGx have been so prolific and consistent yet the scene is
littered with mundane bands that don't deliver, yet seem to be
hoisted up on to some sort of weird pedestal enough to be featured on
so many of these cash-in "fests"?
Chris
- Grindcore seems to be on the upswing the last couple of years which
I see as a good thing. To play grindcore it takes a true love for the
game and resistance to all trends. To me personally, Grindcore is the
most raw and pure music there is. As for these "cash in"
fests you speak of, just last weekend my friend Mitch called me from
the MDF and said how our bands (Swamp Gas and Ulcer) were better than
half the bands that played and by looking at the line-up I had to
agree.
Brian at The Brass Mug, Tampa FL
GT
- What's the connection with Ulcer? They've been a band took us by surprise surely, really intense and underrated as all hell. Did you play in the band at any
time?
Chris
- Ulcer were from Ft. Myers and Mitch was a really good friend. He
played second guitar in my old hardcore band Clubber Lang and he also
played a few shows for Swamp Gas on bass. To this day we are still
very good friends, and still play shows together. Both the Gas and
Ulcer have been around forever and we always support each other.
Hopefully they will be releasing a new album on Brute Productions,
the same label we are on.
GT
– Since we're on the subject, what's your take on the weird
evolution of the "extreme music fest"?
Chris
- I think they are good for metal as a whole. They bring a bunch of
good bands spanning many genres of metal for a common cause. I have
no problem with them.
Chris, March 3 2013 at Rack'em Billiards, Cape Coral FL - (photo - Carianne Hensler)
GT
- It's good to see people pulling back to the founding attitude when
so much of this stuff is not even noteworthy. How did we let it get
out of hand like this or would you say perhaps it's just a symptom of
how popular this music ultimately became to a certain extent?
Chris
- Like it or not you can not stop evolution. Nothing stays the same,
but it is nice to see there are a few of us who still hold on to
those "Glorious Times"...There is your plug old friend
!!!
GT
- Like many of us, do you simply find yourself falling back on the
old guard pioneers for the apparent lack of talent out there?
Chris
- I have never stopped listening to those old records, and I never
will.
Brian,
March 3 2013 at Rack'em Billiards, Cape Coral FL - (photo - Carianne Hensler)
GT
- If you had to name,say, 5 of your best, most loved releases from
the 80's, what are they and why? Has there been anything really that
has hit you really hard in the last decade /decade and a half?
Chris
- Well this is a VERY difficult question to ask, but I will do my
best. For the 80's I would say Motorhead "No Remorse" just
for the fact that it was a greatest hits and had all the good shit on
it. Or I could say "Orgasmatron" because it was a great
comeback album. Death's "Scream Bloody Gore" simply for the
reason that it defined a new genre of metal. Another favorite was
Agnostic Front's "Liberty And Justice For.." That album
showed that hardcore bands could play fast and sound tight as hell. I
probably listened to that album a thousand times.
Napalm Death "Peel
Sessions" in my opinion was and still is the ultimate grindcore
release. The speed and production blew me away. Cryptic Slaughter's
"Money Talks" was fucking amazing. That was the album that
made me seek out faster bands and brought me to grindcore. Bathory
"Under The Sign Of The Black Mark" was just so fucking raw
and nasty. I consider it the the ultimate Black Metal album.
In
the last decade I kinda just jammed out to old shit because things
got stale but I am really into 324, Noisear, Maruta, Ulcer (Tampa),
Magrudergrind, Bloody Phoenix...pretty much all grind or crusty
stuff.
Swamp Gas out front of Rack'em Billiards. - (photo - Carianne Hensler)
GT
- Some of these bands are not releasing what we'd call empowering
material in their latter years (or with random new releases by
original GT era acts many years after debut records for
example)....as a musician do you think it's even honorable to slap a
logo on a release that bares little resemblance to the old
blood-line, or jam out another record that sounds nothing like the
band at all?
Chris
- My old friend, are we talking about the 2012 Terrorizer
album?...I could have written a better Terrorizer album in one
day...And I am not joking !!!
GT - What have been
some of your memorable moments as a gig-goer, musician, and
connoisseur...?
Chris
- I have many of those moments...but one of the best was seeing
Napalm Death, Atheist and Nocturnus at Club Detroit when ND was in
Tampa recording "Harmony Corruption". Years later Mitch
Harris told me that was his FIRST show with ND....Atheist had Roger
Patterson on bass and Nocturnus was still good at that time. A
fucking classic GT moment...Oh and you were there too !!!
Swamp Gas at The Crowbar, Ybor City FL
GT
- Has Swamp Gas played outside Florida?
Chris
- We have played the Milwaukee Metal Fest twice and a show in
Chicago, everything else has been in Florida. Mitch from Ulcer played
bass in Milwaukee and Chicago for us.
GT
- Can you tell us about the Swamp Gas discography?
Chris
- Our first release was a rehearsal demo we did on a 4 track recorder
in our warehouse back in 1994. It came out really good and it made
the rounds on the tape trading scene for a while.
Next
was "Marsh Tango" recorded at Digital Sanctuary sometime in
the summer of 96. We recorded all the music live with a drum machine
so it went really fast. We spent $330...Recorded and mixed in 11
hours and it sounded great. We probably gave away or sold like 2000
copies of that EP. "Marsh Tango" was supposed to be
released by United Guttural Records (a label based in Atlanta GA). It
was going to be a split cd with Denver's Mentally Murdered. United
Guttural never released it.
Sometime
around 1999-200 we recorded the "Divine Economics" demo for
Earache Records. Recorded and mixed at Crystal Sounds in Naples FL, in
one night, for $90. It came out great but we never released it. By the
time the Earache thing blew over we had a real drummer, Rich Perkins.
The 'Corporate Blasphemy' line-up.
Our
first official full length album was to be called "Explanations
For The Unexplainable" and was recorded at Digital Sanctuary. We
recorded 15 songs and we were ready for final mixing. The studio was
shut down very quickly because of a divorce and the owner's wife sold
everything: even all the bands master tapes (hard drives) that were
stored there. We tried like hell to get our masters but could not
track them down. The only thing we had was a rough vocal mix of the
entire album and a rough final mix of 4 songs that became the
"Corporate Blasphemy" EP.
Finally
we have "Operation Frantic" which was recorded and mixed in
my home studio. This release took a long time to finish because I was
now working in a digital audio workstation (DAW). It was a whole new
universe for me and it took a while, but I was happy with the result.
The album was released by Brute Productions in Asia (a label based
out of Bangkok, Thailand). Soon we will record the next full length
"Miss Chernobyl" it is already written and ready to record.
There has also been talk of a Swamp Gas/Ulcer split EP. I would love
to see this come out on vinyl.
Here's the official Swamp Gas pages - so you know what to do - there's some possible releases in the works as well - that we're not at liberty to reveal just yet (provided they actually come to fruition) - if they do, it'll be another worthy notch to add to the GC belt in general and Swamp Gas' in particular. So keep your eyes on this band.
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